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thermionicjunky
Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 48 Location: san francisco
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: 100% Metasonix Music |
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Here is a 100% Metasonix piece using the S-1000 , TM-3 , TM-6 and TM-7 as VCOs. Processing by TM-1 , TM-2 , TM-6 and TM-7 . plus a little delay and reverb. The TM-3 modulates the S-1000. There are sounds here that I've never heard from these circuits before.
http://www.twango.com/m/48ee4d5e17
Never mind the title ... iTunes identified it as a Garth Brooks song and it was too silly to change. |
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Zerosum
Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 50 Location: Minnehopeless,Mentalsota
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting this and appetizing my yellow hunger! |
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thermionicjunky
Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 48 Location: san francisco
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Zerosum
Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 50 Location: Minnehopeless,Mentalsota
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Fuck yeah!
Keep em coming  |
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Jee
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 43
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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It would be nice on an asiatic horror/suspense film  |
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thermionicjunky
Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 48 Location: san francisco
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Jee
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 43
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Well...
Nice sound design !
Actually, I love it, but I also love "structured tracks" (something a bit more accessible than this kind of noise/deep dark ambient tunes).
Did you ever try to tune your S-1000 with other gears like mono synths or samplers ?
edit : (because I suspect the S-1000 or the TM-3 oscillator to be completely untunable as a general rule) |
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Marco
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: Re: 100% Metasonix Music |
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I am deeply impressed by all the music you linked in this page and I keep on listening to it because is really inspiring (I'm even shifting agenda and thinking to add some other yellow box to my just ordered TM6 and TM7).
In your short pieces it's clear a Classical culture and the complexity of its approach. Obviously one cannot make music like this without some type of planning; do you write it?
Also you kindly let us know that you used some TMs as VCOs and other for processing, but did you apply processing on the recorded tracks or in series during recording?
Ciao
Marco
| thermionicjunky wrote: | Here is a 100% Metasonix piece using the S-1000 , TM-3 , TM-6 and TM-7 as VCOs. Processing by TM-1 , TM-2 , TM-6 and TM-7 . plus a little delay and reverb. The TM-3 modulates the S-1000. There are sounds here that I've never heard from these circuits before.
http://www.twango.com/m/48ee4d5e17
Never mind the title ... iTunes identified it as a Garth Brooks song and it was too silly to change. |
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thermionicjunky
Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 48 Location: san francisco
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you. I'm happy that this music does something for you. The precedent for this type of music is definitely classical (Varese, Stockhausen, Subotnick). Although it does incorporate elements of modern jazz.I still write music down on paper when I write more traditional music that is possible to notate correctly. I got into electronics because most of the music that I wanted to write was impossible to play or notate.
My compositional approach these days involves a lot of improvisation using predetermined scales of pitches and/or timbres. Right now, I am using a pretty complicated sort of step recording using the Modcan CV recorder. This process will be greatly simplified and improved when I am able to use a keyboard controller with several rows of potentiometers per key. Doepfer has been planning a controller for a few years which would be ideal. If that never works out, Modcan and Plan B (soon) have voltage controlled sequencers that can be used that way.
All processing aside from delay and reverb was done in real time. The signal from the TM-3 was sent to the main cv input of the S-1000, while each of the S-1000 oscillators was sent it's own cv so I can tune them exactly to my specifications without synchronizing them. About 2 minutes into the first piece, this patch comes in. Adjusting the output level of the TM-3 imparts a vocal quality. The TM-7 adds white noise. Reverb is used to smear all this noise together. |
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Marco
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| thermionicjunky wrote: | Thank you. I'm happy that this music does something for you. The precedent for this type of music is definitely classical (Varese, Stockhausen, Subotnick). Although it does incorporate elements of modern jazz.I still write music down on paper when I write more traditional music that is possible to notate correctly. I got into electronics because most of the music that I wanted to write was impossible to play or notate.
My compositional approach these days involves a lot of improvisation using predetermined scales of pitches and/or timbres. Right now, I am using a pretty complicated sort of step recording using the Modcan CV recorder. This process will be greatly simplified and improved when I am able to use a keyboard controller with several rows of potentiometers per key. Doepfer has been planning a controller for a few years which would be ideal. If that never works out, Modcan and Plan B (soon) have voltage controlled sequencers that can be used that way.
All processing aside from delay and reverb was done in real time. The signal from the TM-3 was sent to the main cv input of the S-1000, while each of the S-1000 oscillators was sent it's own cv so I can tune them exactly to my specifications without synchronizing them. About 2 minutes into the first piece, this patch comes in. Adjusting the output level of the TM-3 imparts a vocal quality. The TM-7 adds white noise. Reverb is used to smear all this noise together. |
You do all this in real time?! Well... I have to say that you have found some really outstanding operational path to work with! Are you step recording (sequencing) throught custom made pitches and timbres series? It must be a really "complicated" process, because I can't hear not many repetitions and to my ears everything seems to flow so freely. Am I getting to much in your territory if I ask you some more clue about the way you work? And, for example, do you think that with an Evolver sequencer (which works with quarter tones) and a controller I can get close to the complexity of the Modcan Recorder?
What I got also is that, since you've been using in real time the same TMs both as VCOs and processors, you must have two TM6, twoTM7, etc. Is that correct?
Keep in mind that I'm a jazz guitarist just now getting into the electronic arena (with S-1000, TM6 and TM7. Also I have two CP251, a desktop Evolver (mono) and a couple of drum machines and - yes .... I'm a guitarist.... - 6 Moogerfoogers) |
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Jee
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 43
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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and also a nice wallet  |
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Marco
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Jee wrote: | and also a nice wallet  |
It was....  |
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Jee
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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lol !
I have my idea about thermionicjunky way of working, but I don't wan't to answer for him, he is the most qualified
I guess he takes full advantage of the metasonix modules sensitivity : they can be driven hundreds of different ways with only one set of knob position, so it greatly helps creating moving textures.
For exemple, the input volume alone can dramaticaly change the sound, just imagine the possibilities by moving 2 knobs at a time, or more using CV's... |
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thermionicjunky
Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 48 Location: san francisco
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Oh , when I said real time I was talking about frequency modulation with the TM-3 and S-1000. I realize now that you were talking about the use of the TM-6 and TM-7 as oscillators. There are multiple tracks used for each piece, but I never need to process a sound with the same unit that produced it. For some patches, the TM-6 and TM-7 were used as oscillators, for others they were processors.
At present, I am recorded manually controlled voltages. I do this so I don't need to accept the voltage scaling of any converter or sequencer. I don't know about the Evolver. Can you set each voltage level, or does it output a fixed set of voltages?. If it's fixed, is it linear or exponential?
With the CV recorder. I can record discrete pitches, joystick movements, LFOs, envelope shapes, gates, etc. The ability to manipulate loop points and vary the playback speed over an extremely wide range allows for the exploration of the concepts of Varese ( reordering of material) and Stockhausen (integration of form, rhythm, pitch and color). I also send a separate cv to each oscillator because I love the sound of the oscillators beating, but I want to control how much. Synchronized or unsynchronized, the results are much better. I've actually ordered another CV recorder, so I will have 8 channels to work with. |
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Marco
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Jee for the input, I will put it into practice as soon as I have the yellow boxes and S-1000 working. Unfortunately I'm still in the process of finding all the stepdown transformers (I bought all my stuff in the US since the exchange euro/dollar and certain contacts makes it much more convenient - don't do this at home, can be harmful-).
After having heard thermionicjunky music and your suggestions, I'm beginning to realize how subtle the Metasonix stuff can be. I choose Metasonix as the best vehicle to reach a pearcing sound with a big impact (which certainly is) , but now I know that it is muuuch more that can be done than that.
I think that the Boss should take note that it's outrageous machines *are not* represented well enough by the samples on the Metasonix website. (I.E) by a simple link to thermionicjunky samples he could gain interest in his stuff not only from dance producers and super angry guitarists but from sound designers and classical trained musicians as well. This is IMHO anyway.
| Jee wrote: | lol !
I have my idea about thermionicjunky way of working, but I don't wan't to answer for him, he is the most qualified
I guess he takes full advantage of the metasonix modules sensitivity : they can be driven hundreds of different ways with only one set of knob position, so it greatly helps creating moving textures.
For exemple, the input volume alone can dramaticaly change the sound, just imagine the possibilities by moving 2 knobs at a time, or more using CV's... |
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