67 thoughts on “Apple Intros Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro For iPad”

1. oh boy! rent to own, without the owning part.

2. Here we gooooooo! Whole rental thing kinda sucks which is probably why its $5 bucks. Can see that being increased in the future. Starting to feel like no new software will be for sale, all rentals.

   1. lol
      Oh no $50 a year.
      My wife and I spent that on lunch yesterday.
      Even if I pay it for 10 years that’s $500.
      We can blow that at the casino in one night
      and not think twice and have fun.
      TE will charge $2500 for wooden dolls,
      $1600 for a hipster table…but Apple is evil for $50 a year.
      lol

      1. The irony of talking about an app called Logic and that brain fart of a comment!

3. What’s with all these companies with the rental nonsense? Why are they trying to squeeze as much money out of us?

   1. Because they can!

   2. Biggest reason for rental probably is because it gives Apple a more continuos income stream which makes updating Logic financially viable and makes it easier for people to have updated software and instruments . 5 bux a month is dirtcheap considering what is and will be included and compared to Logics competition.

   3. So because you’re so against subscriptions, it means that you also don’t have Netflix, Prime, Disney and others?

      1. Many people hate subscriptions precisely because they have too many of them already. They hate managing them, and hate the monthly money drain. And canceling them is often a real pain.

         Fragmentation is also annoying. I’d like to watch The Mandalorian, but there’s no way I’m going to subscribe to Disney plus just for one program. Amazon is only worth it as a bonus on top of prime shipping. And Netflix is looking worse all the time – all while trying to squeeze more money out of subscribers.

         I regularly use dozens of apps … and have absolutely no desire for that to turn into dozens of app subscriptions. It’s just not scalable and it isn’t sustainable.

4. So Logic on my iPad is less than $1 a week to use… finally a decent iOS DAW that’s practically free. I’m in!

   1. I like Logic, but I prefer a one-time purchase like Cubasis.

   2. If you cost it by the second it appears even cheaper:
      just 0.0001585 cents / second.

   3. “finally a decent iOS DAW”
      Are you on the beta team? It’s not released until tomorrow, how you do you know how decent it is?

5. You also have to own a recent M1 pad and have bugged os 16 on it, the rental part was already a no go for me , the rest makes it easy to pass
   And knowing apple , you will be obliged to update to 17…18…or M2 , M3 …. if you want to go on using the updates or the software
   Learned the lesson with tomtom go, need recent os ,pad or iphone if you still want updates

   1. It actually says in the description above that Logic for iPad also will run on older iPads wirh A12 Bionic etc…

   2. It will work on my iPad 8 and I’ve never had an issue with iOS 16. What’s not to like? No iOS DAW’s ever met my needs. I’m looking forward to this.

6. Subscription? No, thanks.

7. Sorry I refuse to pay Apple to buy the same app each month. I assume they are going to come up with lame updates each month to justify the cost. I find it interesting that the Login Pro I own on my MBP never sees updates like that.

   1. It is pretty simple, actually. This is obviously the acquisition model people want. Hell, since we no longer own our own DNA, why should we assume that we can actually “own” anything? Isn’t owning stuff racist?

   2. what on earth are you talking about? I bought Logic like 10 years ago and it has gone through major upgrades throughout the years for free!!! no DAW has received these kind of updates for free for so many years.

      1. Reaper. Cheaper, more updates, more flexible.
         Let me elucidate:
         A $60 Reaper license covers you for all updates for 2 major revisions.
         Buying Reaper 4.0 covered you till Reaper 6 was released. That’s 8 years and 2 months.
         Reaper 4 had 51 updates
         Reaper 5 had 77 updates.
         Reaper 6 has had 79 updates so far.

   3. So wait. you want to return to the days of paying hundreds of dollars for software that you’ll use for about a year or two then move on to something else with minimal updates because they already have you money? What an unbelievable horrible take. $5 a month is nothing and look at it this way,they don’t have your money so it motivates them to have substantial updates. This is great for the consumer whether you know it or not.

      1. I don’t like the idea of not being able to open a project because I cancelled my subscription.
         There is zero incentive for Apple to update Logic because you’re already over a barrel paying for the that very privilege.
         The correct model that incentivizes developers is the one that Loopy Pro, Bitwig and Cantabile uses:
         You own outright and get 12 months of updates.
         Afterwards you can buy 12 month of updates if you think the devs have added value.
         You can always open your projects and do work.
         Your software doesn’t feel like ransomware!
         Simple and fair.

8. I purchased an M1 Mini ans all of the additional shit you have to get to make it do anything last year, just so I could get access to Alchemy back (with my current vision, I can’t even read the labels on the Camel version I can run on my 4K PC monitors). If a full version of Alchemy runs on this iPad version, I’d be happy to rent it for $200/year!

9. Awesome… now a whole new generation of people can be disappointed by limited touch interfaces. Because a laptop with a keyboard was SO inconvenient, especially for people with oh so important work to do any old where. And paying a monthly fee for that set of delights… wow.

   1. You can connect a keyboard to the iPad since day 1.

      1. iPad connectivity has always been diabolical, don’t try to pretend otherwise.
         Show me a person doing real work on an iPad and I’ll show you a person with a drawer full of clagnuts.

10. You had me but then lost me with rental

    “People have told us over and over and over again, they don’t want to rent their music,” said Jobs emphatically.

    1. Eeeh! Spotify, Apple Music and Tidal etc, obviously proved. Jobs wrong,,,

       1. “The #1 reason for a paid subscription is to avoid ads interrupting the music.”
          [International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI). 2021. Engaging With Music]

11. A worry is that if Apple get away with rental, as they might well do, it will become more normalized and other companies will follow suit.

    Logic Pro on the Mac has been incredible value. Pay once (for the software, anyway) and so many brilliant updates. I know that they probably run it as a loss leader.

12. I’m in, can’t wait to try it out.
    Btw; I’m subscribing to Roland and Reasonstudios and couldn’t be happier.

13. I would not be at all surprised if Apple made the desktop version of Logic subscription-only soon.

    1. Agreed! Its coming. Release a massive update and then..WHAAAAAM! Sub only. If you dont want to sub, keep your crummy old Logic Pro but Logic Pro XI, sub only.

14. So years after they release these “pro” devices that were supposed to replace laptops (and have the same computing power by now), they finally deliver watered-down versions of their desktop software – But you can’t even buy it, but have to rent it? It almost seems as if Apple actively wants to discourage people taking iPad serious as a creative tool.

15. Have been an iPad user since the beginning with the focus, and hopes, on music apps (synths, sequencers, drum machines). It has been an interesting ride but mostly disappointing. High quality apps for sure and I have always wanted Logic for the iPad. Wha La…it is finally here and I could give two shits less. I have since moved onto Live and I try from time to time to utilize Logic somehow but I am alway like blah. The only thing I go to Logic for through the need is the audio editing capabilities.
    All I need for my iPad, music creation wise now, is Midi Designer Pro 2. Without that app I don’t know what I’d do, my centerpiece for customizable performance control.

16. Subscription? nah i’m good

    1. Because yo don’t have Netflix, Prime or other subscriptions already… lol
       Must be living in wilderness…

       1. You must have a boring life having to remind others that they have a boring life

    2. So you also not subscribe to Netflix, Prime, Disney and such like..?
       What a boring life you must have… 😉

       1. A boring life due to not subscribing to services? That doesn’t even make any sense at all, there’s more to life than subscriptions for media consumption

       2. You’re kidding right? Cause your life would be so sad if it were true.

       3. If spending most of my time making music in the studio is boring so be it. you can keep your netflix lol

       4. This is setting up a bizarre and false dichotomy. If you subscribe to netflix already, you’re not a hypocrite for not wanting *more* subscriptions. If you don’t subscribe to netflix, that may very well be because your life *isn’t* so boring and empty that you feel the need to watch more television.

17. Subscription?
    Absolutely not…ask Waves how that went.

18. Cubasis for iOS with no subscription, so more logic than Logic.

19. yall complaining about 5$ a month for a very powerful music creation tool. im happy to pay it.

    1. Add that to all of your other “it’s just 5 dollars a month” explanations and do the math. That 5 ain’t 5 anymore. Glad yer happy having a hole in your pocket but don’t dismiss peoples concerns.

       1. Would they rather spend it on Netflix then?

          1. Would you like to have all your projects locked if you don’t pay?

20. I remember when Logic was something like $1000 and upgrades were paid. $5 a month is an amazing deal for so many features. The other side of subscriptions is the ability to unsubscribe at any time.

21. If 50,- per year is already too much for some of you than why the hell did you buy an iPad in the first place!? iPads are not cheap devices while 5,- per month for a full DAW (not sure how full it is though) seems like a very cheap bargin.

22. I don’t think anyone can complain too much about the price of this one. It may even bring other subscription prices down.

    But the worry is not just price, it is more about not being to open files in the future. Maybe your subscription ended because you moved to Cubase. Even if you don’t mind paying 5 dollars now and then to occasionally get at your Logic iPad files, perhaps your ipad no longer supports whatever version or Apple put the price up a lot. Or even perhaps Apple go bust, who knows.

    I can still open ancient Logic files on ancient computers if I want to, to get the audio out or whatever.

    If there’s some good export or backup mechanism, it might all be fine. Probably there is, e.g. export to Logic Mac.

23. the laptop and the iPad are closer to the merge. we are all pretty much waiting for high quality shells to hold the iPad with a bunch of extra electronics in them to boost performance even more.

    I think overall the iPad needs a total of at least 3 usb c ports

24. There is export to Logic on Mac, did you actually read the article?

25. Finally !! Wish it wasn’t only a subscription, but not a deal breaker I suppose… Ok so MOTU, ball’s in your court, when will Digital Performer be available on iOS/iPad? MOTU’s great, but been lagging of late… no update to their Pro line of audio interfaces… where’s the USB-C / FW4 connectivity? 6 years (longer?) since the last update to MOTU pro interfaces…

26. Fuck rent!

    In ten years you have used $500 (actually more, as the rents never stay down there) and previously you could expand your studio, now you are left empty handed.

    1. That’s what you’d pay for updates to any DAW over 10 years. Version upgrades are usually $150-200.

       The question I have is what the subscription covers. If you cancel your subscription, does your app stop working or do you just stop getting updates?

       1. Some DAWs like Reaper cost around $60 every 8 years and get over a hundred updates in that time.
          With this iPad Logic subscription you can no longer use the app when you don’t pay. You can probably open the file on the desktop version if you have a mac and a license for that.

27. There are upsides and downsides for either perpetual licenses or subscriptions for both developers and end-users.

    Perpetual licenses give developers larger infusions of cash upon releases and updates. Users get a simple quid pro quo deal and don’t have to think about it much; or keep track of subs. For major upgrades, users can choose to buy new features, or stick with the license/version they have. But income for devs is bumpy, and is more or less proportionate to their direct to make new software or major updates.

    Subscriptions give developers more steady cashflow. Users can try complex or otherwise expensive software without a major initial outlay; and decide if it is worth continuing. However, users do have to keep track of a potentially large number of subscriptions; and consider current and future needs in order to decide which subscriptions to maintain. That could be a complex set of organizational steps and tasks.

    At this point, the number of software titles I subscribe to is one. I begged the developer to offer a perpetual option (even if it fairly high price); the response was that it would be considered for the future. Also, the number of updates since I started that one subscription is zero.

    I prefer when developers offer a perpetual option along with a subscription option. It allows them to set prices where they want them, and users how they prefer to support developers.

    1. There’s a big risk with perpetual licenses. If developers don’t have a steady cash flow, then they have to be conservative in their product planning. They have to plan for the possibility that they can work for two years on a big release, but it might not be as successful as they’d hope for, and then they have to survive for a couple more years until the next big release.

       1. I get the steady part, but risk?

          Perpetual Licence: “Here’s 3 year’s worth of payments, up front. Go nuts.”

          Subscription: “Here’s $5, and I’ll cancel whenever I feel like it.”

          1. Apple makes it easier than many companies to cancel subscriptions, but the advantage is still on Apple’s side because people forget to cancel them anyway.

             1. True.

28. Finaly, cut pro!
    iSlave2030: ‘A useful servant, a dreadful master’

29. The big test for me is will it work with Tascam Model 12 in Audio interface [and other audio interfaces] mode up to the same stable and consistent level of laptop,desktop configurations.??
    I have an M1 iPAD pro, and my gripe is that support of external audio interfaces and controllers is largely miss, and occasionally a hit, but not predictable. Hope this Logic Pro for iPAD lives up to its name

30. Was interested until I realized it was rental software.