Behringer has revealed plans to release clones of a studio full of classic analog synthesizers.
They’ve updated their site with details for new versions of these synthesizers:
- WASP DELUXE Analog Synthesizer with Dual OSCs, VCF, Multi-Mode VCF, 16-Voice Poly Chain and Eurorack Format
- ARP 2600 Semi-Modular Analog Synthesizer with 3 VCOs and Multi-Mode VCF in a 6U Rack-Mount Format
- Octave The CAT Paraphonic Analog Synthesizer with Dual VCOs, 4 Mixable Waveforms, External Signal Processor, 16-Voice Poly Chain and Eurorack Format
- SYNTHI VCX3 Analog Synthesizer with 3 VCOs, VCF, LFO, Ring Modulator and Reverb
- MS-101-BK, MS-101-GY, MS-101-BU – Analog Synthesizer with 32 Full-Size Keys, 3340 VCO with 4 Simultaneous Waveforms, VCF, ADSR, 32-Step Sequencer, Arpeggiator and Live Performance Kit
- K-20 – Analog and Semi-Modular Synthesizer with Dual VCOs, Ring Modulator, External Signal Processor, 16-Voice Poly Chain and Eurorack Format
It looks like Behringer is releasing information on their plans early in their development process, like they did with the still-to-be-released Behringer D, because they haven’t shared any photos or release dates for the new synths.
It also looks like the synths will not be straight clones of the originals, but will be redesigned to do things like support MIDI, fit in Eurorack format, add USB support, etc. They’re also likely to differ from the originals by using modern surface-mount production methods, like the Behringer D.
We would not be surprised if they release more info around the time of the 2018 NAMM Show – though they no longer participate in the NAMM Show.
Here’s what we know about the new Behringer synth clones so far. For each synth, we’ve included a video example of the original in action, along with the specifications that Behringer has shared:
WASP DELUXE – based on the rare EDP WASP synthesizer:
- Analog synthesizer with dual OSC design allows
- Reproduction of original “Wasp Deluxe” circuitry with matched transistors and JFETs
- Pure analog signal path based on authentic OSC, VCF and VCA designs
- 3 variable oscillator shapes with pulse / ramp and enhanced mode
- Switchable, multi-mode VCF with Lo, Hi, Band and Notch modes
- Flexible LFO with 4 waveform shapes, frequency and pitch modulation control
- 2 analog Envelope Generators for modulation of VCF and VCA
- Noise generator
- 16-voice Poly Chain allows combining multiple synthesizers for up to 16 voice polyphony
- Complete Eurorack solution – main module can be transferred to a standard Eurorack case
- 29 controls give you direct and real-time access to all important parameters
- External audio input for processing external sound sources
- USB/MIDI implementation with MIDI channel and Voice Priority selection
- 3-Year Warranty Program
2600 – based on the classic ARP 2600 synthesizer:
- Analog synthesizer with triple VCO design
- Reproduction of original “Arp* 2600” circuitry with matched transistors and JFETs
- Semi-modular architecture
- 3 VCOs, each with LFO mode, FM inputs, and multiple wave-shape outputs
- Multi-mode VCF with dedicated low-pass output with additional switched high/notch output
- Eange of modules including ring modulator, lag processor, sample & hold, Schmitt trigger and envelope follower
- ADSR and AR Envelope generators with switchable time factor
- Realistic digital spring reverb for inspiring sound effects
- Noise Generator with continuously variable colour
- 2 dedicated LFOs with pulse and sine wave outputs
- Switched Post Filter Distortion (PFD) / Inverter option on voltage processor
- Differential (+/-) input VCA with both linear and exponential control inputs
- Additional functions include attenuator, mixer, inverter, slew rate limiter and 4-way multiple for creative patching flexibility
- External audio input for processing external sound sources
- 58 Faders and 15 buttons give you hands-on direct and real time access to all parameters
- 83 Patch cable input / outputs for the ultimate in configuration flexibility
- Powerful headphone output with dedicated level control
- MIDI implementation with MIDI channel and Voice Priority selection
- 3-Year Warranty Program
CAT – inspired by Octave’s The CAT synthesizer
- Analog synthesizer with dual VCO design
- Reproduction of original “CAT SRM II” circuitry with matched transistors and JFETs
- Analog signal path based on authentic VCO, VCF and VCA designs
- 4 variable and simultaneous oscillator shapes (Sawtooth, Triangle, modulated Pulse and Sub
- Octave Square)
- Paraphonic mode allows both oscillators to be independently controlled
- Oscillators can be modulated from 6 different sources with 2 modulation depth attenuators
- Classic filter design (high pass/low pass with peak/resonance) with self-resonance capability
- Filter can be modulated from 6 different sources with 2 modulation depth attenuators
- Dedicated and fully analog triangle/square wave LFO
- 2 analog Envelope Generators for modulation of VCF and VCA
- White noise generator
- 16-voice Poly Chain allows combining multiple synthesizers for up to 16 voice polyphony
- Complete Eurorack solution – main module can be transferred to a standard Eurorack case
- 7 controls give you direct and real-time access to all important parameters
- Audio input for processing external sound sources for enhanced creativity
- External control inputs and outputs (High Note CV, Low Note CV, Gate, Filter etc.)
- Comprehensive USB/MIDI implementation with MIDI channel and Voice Priority selection
- 3-Year Warranty Program
SYNTHI VCX3 – inspired by the SYNTHI VCS3:
- Analog synthesizer with triple VCO design
- Reproduction of original “VCS3” circuitry designed in 1970
- Analog signal path based on authentic VCO, VCF and VCA designs
- VCOs featuring multi-turn knobs for precise frequency control
- Variable oscillator shapes with variable pulse widths
- Classic 24 dB low pass filter with resonance
- 16 x 16 pin patch bay serves as signal routing matrix by inserting pins into holes
- Ring modulator adds insane spice and edge to your sounds
- Dedicated and fully analog triangle/square wave LFO
- Noise generator dramatically expands waveform generation
- Two-axis joystick serves as performance controller
- 42 controls give you direct and real-time access to all important parameters
- External audio inputs for processing external sound sources
- Comprehensive MIDI implementation with MIDI channel and Voice Priority selection
- 3-Year Warranty Program
MS-101-BK, MS-101-GY, & MS-101-BU – a clone of the classic Roland SH-101:
- Monophonic synthesizer with 3340 analog oscillator
- 32 semi-weighted full-size keys for great playability
- Analog signal path based on VCO, VCF and VCA designs to recreate the classic sound performance
- Oscillator with 4 simultaneously, mixable waveforms: saw, triangle, square/pwm and octave-divided square sub-oscillator
- Resonant VCF can be modulated with ADSR, LFO, keyboard tracking and bender controller
- 6 FM sources
- ADSR envelope generator
- Easy-to-use voltage controlled 32-step sequencer with 64 sequence locations
- Arpeggiator with wide patterns
- Attachable handgrip included with pitch bend wheel and a pitch modulation trigger
- Guitar strap included
- Bender assignable to VCO, VCF and pitch mod wheel on attachable handgrip
- Noise generator can be used as modulation source for distortion-like effects
- Portamento function with auto mode
- Pulse wave can be modulated by LFO, envelope and manually
- 57 sliders and switches to give you direct and real-time access to all important parameters
- External audio input for processing external sound sources
- Comprehensive MIDI implementation with MIDI channel and Voice Priority selection
- 3-Year Warranty Program
K-20 – a Eurorack version of the Korg MS-20
- Analog synthesizer with dual VCO design
- Reproduction of original “MS-20” circuitry with matched transistors and JFETs
- Analog signal path based on authentic VCO, VCF and VCA designs
- Semi-modular architecture with default routings requires no patching for immediate performance
- 4 variable oscillator shapes with variable pulse widths and ring modulation for ultimate sounds
- First-generation filter design (high pass/low pass with peak/resonance)
- Dedicated and fully analog triangle/square wave LFO
- 2 analog Envelope Generators for modulation of VCF and VCA
- 16-voice Poly Chain allows combining multiple synthesizers for up to 16 voice polyphony
- Complete Eurorack solution – main module can be transferred to a standard Eurorack case
- 36 controls give you direct and real-time access to all important parameters
- External audio input for processing external sound sources
- Comprehensive USB/MIDI implementation with MIDI channel and Voice Priority selection
- 3-Year Warranty Program
It’s worth noting that Behringer has these new synths on their site in their ‘Synthesizers and Samplers’ category, but they have not shared any plans for any samplers yet.
Check out the details and let us know what you think of Behringer’s synth clone plans!
Update: Behringer has updated the Musictribe site to remove info for these products.
Oh, my.
God
Whoa. Synthi? Eurorack MS-20? These dudes are not even messing around. I just heard the bottom drop out of the vintage synth market.
The more I think about it, the more I think that this could either lead to a renaissance in electronic music or a collapse.
Why would electronic music collapse? Its just gear isn’t it?
“Collapse” is definitely a strong word, but I think a lot of a certain brand of electronic music is based on a commodity fetish for the devices themselves. That commodity fetish is reliant on scarcity. If these devices become readily available, interest in the music made on these devices may wane as everyone scrambles to find some other club inaccessible to the “mainstream,” which is often code for “poor people.”
I spend a decent amount of time on forums/reddit/etc and that’s one of the stupidest things I’ve read in quite a while. Sure, there’s rich goobers with collectible units that never get powered up, but for every one of them there’s 10 or more making beats on Ableton, Pocket operators, and volcas. I find AMAZING tracks all the time that are some kid/dude/chick demoing two pieces of kit into a Apogee Duet or whatever, and making very enjoyable music.
IF you replace “electronic music” with “eurorack” in your post, I can get slightly more on board, but droning music or sound design are no more or less artistry than producing club bangerz, especially if you are having fun doing it.
For sure there are people out there making music on cheap/free equipment that many people listen to and enjoy! I think these people probably outnumber the fetishists.
But, there is also a segment of electronic music listeners whose enjoyment is inextricable from a commodity fetish with the device itself. I think it is these listeners whose enjoyment would be diminished by the devices becoming more accessible. But, these fetishists probably do make up a sizable amount of the upmarket (and especially vintage) synthesizer market. You know, the people who are always calling volcas “toys” or whatever like that is an insult. Those people will divest. Which: bye, Felicia.
You have to remember that none of these synths planned will be “clones.”
Do you know what a clone is? A clone is an EXACT duplicate of something else — part by part.
By contrast, these are new, cheap Chinese synths built on classic synth designs and approximations of sound and visual aesthetic. Nothing will take away from the originals, ever. If you want an original, you’ll have to purchase an original. Nothing else will do. And if you’ve never had the opportunity to use one, it’ll never phase you.
Have you seen the Ferrari kit cars? Some buy them, and they’ll serve those people. The kit cars will get you from A to B. But if you want an actual Ferrari, you’ll have to shell out the cash for one — and if you can discern the differences and benefits between the actual and the approximated, then, that’s why you bought the original.
Whoa. Always wanted a CAT, they are hard to get these days. I guess the Moog clone was a success, otherwise Uli wouldn’t be diving this deep.
The moog clone, Behringer ‘D’, isn’t even released yet, nor is the actual retail price known. I’d hardly call that a success.
It’s on most music web sites already like Sweetwater for $299
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BehringerD
Yes, but it can’t be delivered. Those shops will take interest on your money in the mean time, and MAY even require additional payment once it will be available (better check the sales conditions for any specific shop).
Dude, pre-orders are through the roof. Seriously.. Never seen something so backlogged with pre-orders before from a major manufacturer…
This is all soooo much kinda cool! Real hardware synths for the price of a plugin and a cheap midi controller… Great times!
> Those shops will take interest on your money in the mean time
Credit card company rules are that the merchant can not make the charge until they ship the product. Therefore if you find a merchant has charged you without shipping the product you can always successfully file a chargeback. In addition, the merchant will be in hot water with the credit card company.
WOW!!!!!!!
Give me The CAT. Yeah baby!!!!!
They told everyone to suck it, and suck it they did indeed.
The ARP 2600, I’ve always wanted to play one. It’s great that Behringer revives these great classics: they should become some sort of “always available on the market” products, just like the Hammond.
I’ve been offered over $10 grand for my 2600, which I bought decades ago and have used since. I’ve turned down all offers… because it is worth more than that to me.
Guess no one checked their drum machine section, Behringer also announced an analog 808 and 909 plus a new analog drum machine called the 999 plus two digitally drum machines for the Linn and OB Drummer!!!
RD-999
Pure Analog Drum Machine Designed with Performance and Sound Editing at Its Heart
17 original drum sounds: Kick1, Kick2, Snare, Clap, Rim, Claves, Closed Hi Hat, Open Hi Hat, High Conga, Low Conga, High Tom, Low Tom, Cymbal, Reversed Cymbal, Maracas, Tambourine, Zap
http://www.musictri.be/Categories/Behringer/Drums/Synthesizers-and-Samplers/RHYTHM-DESIGNER-RD-999/p/P0DHY
RD-909
Classic Analogue Drum Machine with 10 Drum Voices, 64 Step Sequencer, Wave Designer and Dual-Mode Filter
Authentic recreation of one of the most sought after and influential drum machine of all time with obsessive attention to detail
10 original drum sounds: Bass Drum, Snare Drum, Low Tom, Mid Tom, High Tom, Rim-Shot, Hand-Clap, Cymbal, Open-Hat, Closed-Hat
http://www.musictri.be/Categories/Behringer/Drums/Synthesizers-and-Samplers/RHYTHM-DESIGNER-RD-909/p/P0DG6
RD-808
Legendary Analog Drum Machine with 16 Authentic Drum Sounds and 64-Step Sequencer
Authentic recreation of one of the most sought after and influential drum machine of all time with obsessive attention to detail
16 original drum sounds: Bass Drum, Snare Drum, Low Tom/Conga, Mid Tom/Conga, High Tom/Conga, Claves/Rim-Shot, Maracas/Hand-Clap, Cowbell, Cymbal, Open-Hat, Closed-Hat and a global Accent
http://www.musictri.be/Categories/Behringer/Drums/Synthesizers-and-Samplers/RHYTHM-DESIGNER-RD-808/p/P0DG5
LMX
Classic Digital Drum Machine with 24 Drum Sounds, Real-time Sequencer with Step Editor, Wave Designer and Dual-Mode Filter
Authentic recreation of one of earliest and most influential digital drum machines with obsessive attention to detail
24 sounds: 2 Kicks, 3 Snares, 3 Hats, 3 Toms, 2 Rides, 2 Cabasas, 2 Tambs, 2 Congas, Cowbell, Handclap, Sidestick, Crash & Click
http://www.musictri.be/Categories/Behringer/Drums/Drum-Machines/LMX/p/P0DNX
OMX
Classic Digital Drum Machine with 25 Drum Sounds, Real-time Sequencer with Step Editor, Wave Designer and Dual-Mode Filter
Authentic recreation of one of earliest and most influential digital drum machines with obsessive attention to detail
25 sounds: 3 Kicks, 3 Snares, 3 Hats, 6 Toms, 2 Rides, 2 Shakers, 2 Tambs, Rimshot, Handclap, Crash & Click
http://www.musictri.be/Categories/Behringer/Drums/Drum-Machines/OMX/p/P0DNY
It appears that Behringer is the master of teasing, but what have they actually released so far? People are still waiting for their Model D clones a year later.
Waiting for a year?
It has been several months less than a year since it was announced. It wasn’t relased at that or sid to be on the market on the very same day.
So it hasn’t been a year.
In the arcticles for the Pre-order page, it was stated that the expected release was in september. So yes, it has been a few months. But I dont know if Behringer themselves ever announced that delivery date.
They will all sound, more or less, the same. Just like their “Minimoog”, which other than the panel layout, does not resemble a Minimoog Model D. I’m not saying this is good or bad. It will be a functional synth with good “bang for the buck”. But seriously, have you ever actually played a Minimoog? And these will be the same. Its strictly capitalizing on the “vintage” mania. The Matrixbrute is waay better than an old Arp 2600, which will cost a fortune and then another fortune to make useable. I’ve owned them both. Lets move forward!
“Better”
> does not resemble a Minimoog Model D
How do you know this given it hasn’t shipped? Have you played one?
The D is one Behringer I’ll skip since the original sounds like skunk farts.
Ok, so did you even bother to listen to the Demo videos of the Behringer D, by their testers?
Does sound pretty right o my ears.
What does sound have to with playing. No, the Behringer D won’t feel like playing a Moog Model D, it doesn’t even have a keyboard. And the switches won’t feel like those of a Moog Model D. But the sounds seems pretty close.
I actually think that re-issueing most of the classic has lot of potential to drive the development forward. Not only does behringer get a lot of knowledge this way.
But for a lot of synth players, getting the hands on the classics, or almost identical sounding, will make them ready to embrace new synths, instead of looking in the rearview mirror, dreaming of the synths of old.
Yes the Matrixbrute is impressive.
But it can’t sound like all the classics. So it is not a one-in-all unit. And although it offers a lot, it is still pretty classic in its layout. The mod Matrix layout is superb. But mod matrixes as a concept isn’t new.
So it is still much like the classic synths. Just yet another.
You guys should also check their drum machine section, they announced a new analog drum machine called the RD-999 as well as analog reissues for RD-909 and RD-808 plus digital reissues of the Linn and OB Drummer!
I tried to post the links, but my full comment is still awaiting approval from mods.
Whaaat? These dudes are styling on everybody.
Wish someone on Synthtopia would approve my comment with links already.
@Mike: Do you have shares in Behringer or an endorsement or what? Keeping on about them teasing drum clones also. By now you may have realised synthopia posted your (long) original list of that and also created a separate topic on the behringer drums on their site.
One thing can be said especially in favour of Behringer: they know how to tamtam news into the world.
Yup, I did see it. They actually credited to me in their post.
I LOVE YOU BEHRINGER!
@dave: Yes. I’ll love them even more when they make their (and ours) dreams come true.
if they are making everything in a similar form factor it would be cool if they actually built a case with like 2 octaves of full sized keys that didn’t cost an arm and a leg that they could all mount in so that you can use them as stand alone portable synths, have standard carrying cases, etc. It is one thing of many that I actually really like about the boutiques – the fact that there is a standardization in the size of all of the units.
@whormongr: great idea, good suggestion. Hope Behringer and possibly other manufacturers will follow that.
4 Simultaneous Waveforms – does that mean polyphonic?
(own a moog – so rly no need for another monosynth)
No – the Octave Cat has a wave-form mixer. It let’s you mix the 4 wave forms monophonically (Sub Sqr, Pulse, Saw, Tri). It’s like taking 4 wave form outs on a modular VCO and plugging them into a mixer and mixing in a little saw and a little square.
No, it won’t. It just means that all the waveforms are available at the same time so you can mix a Saw with a Square etc. Very useful on a single oscillator synth like the 101. The Microbrute is similar in this respect.
Imcoming YAMAHA CS80 DIY Assembly kit:)
esimated build time 100 000 hours for experts?
If you can’t afford any of the originals, your gonna love this. If you have one of these originals your gonna hate this.
I’m with the former! 😉
ALL IN ON THE SYNTHI ANNOUNCE THE PRICE ASAP!!!!
I’m guessing $999-1299 based on literally nothing.
All I hope is that all these machines have onboard patch memories .
This would be stunning.A vcs3 clone with memories…..wow
brandon
It’s impossible for true clones of vintage analog synths to add patch memory or MIDI control of parameters.
It’s only possible if the synth is redesigned to use encoders, instead of potentiometers. Basically a Minimoog Voyager vs a Model D.
The description mentions “Comprehensive MIDI implementation with MIDI channel and Voice Priority selection”. I don’t know if that means they’ll have full midi control over all the parameters but if so then it wouldn’t be impossible to be able to make presets work.
They should add micro tuning and MPE support to all of these clones, until then I have no interest.
You’re asking for something that’s technically impossible.
Adding micro-tuning and MPE support, patch saving, etc, would require redesigning the synths to be digitally controlled, replacing analog pots with digital encoders.
That’s a bummer. That makes sense with vintage clones but I’m tired of seeing new synths come out that don’t have these features. For example Dave Smith synths support micro/alternate tunings but he didn’t include MPE on the new Rev 2 even though he’s not only aware of it’s existence but is actually friends with Roger Linn it makes no sense to me.
Polyphonic expression makes little sense on Monophonic synths, though.
Let’s take my 2600 as an example. I have the 3620 duophonic keyboard, which was released in 1977. Two voices on the keyboard. There’s 3 oscs on the synth, plus an LFO on the keyboard. One can route the duophonic outputs to two oscs and have the third be something else. Or route the upper voice to two oscs for a edgy lead, or the lower voice two two for a rounder bass. Or other things.
That’s the 1977 state of the art. Apparently monophonic synth, but many people playing it duophonically with the right controller.
I don’t use that keyboard anymore though. I control pitch with 3 CV channels each going to an osc. This way I can play 3 part paraphony when desired, but I’ll also do things like have chords mapped to different keys. There’s only the one filter, so that’s not polyphonic. But I do have independent LFOs and envelopes for each CV channel, so that is polyphonic and requires polyphonic control. I have independent glide and bend control for each channel. It supports MPE instruments so I am able to do key independent vibrato and multiple simultaneous independent glissandos. This is absolutely essential for expressive playing. To have anything else is to have a preset organ.
This instrument is widely considered a monophonic synth, yet I definitely require and routinely use multiple channels of expression with it. Thus, I can not agree that polyphonic expression makes little sense on monophonic synths.
I see these sorts of beliefs often. It is an indicator of one who has given up and does not understand or care to understand the full capabilities of one’s instrument. Mastery has neither been obtained nor sought. It’s like when limited people say a clarinet or a trumpet or a flute or the human voice is a monophonic instrument. They might be to very beginning or otherwise limited players, but certainly the instruments themselves are not monophonic to capable players.
The ones that have CV inputs are fully microtunable with the appropriate MIDI2CV converter. My 2600 is 100% microtunable and I use extravagant bizarre tuning schema which elicit the most sublime ecstatic moods, emotions and experiences, based on paradigms of numerics unimagined by plebes. The level to which an analog synth with a CV input is retunable transcends the level to which any non-analog synth is retunable by an infinite factor. I can smoothly glissando across a range of 10 octaves, with infinitesimal pitch resolution, on a single note.
The 2600 they release will be microtunable.
Cool!
What midi to CV converter supports microtuning?
All the ones I use. Where you been?
I have full keyboard MTS support, 16 banks x 128 programmable scales, 12 octave range, 0.014 cent resolution, support for dynamic transposition, for polyAT bends, for glissando and legato glides, for up to 8CV channels of output, superimposition of control signals, ADSRs, LFOs, and FM, 2 dimensional tunings such as is needed for barbershop quartets and extended JI intonation, dynamic control of harmonics, and tons of other features.
It’s the 21st century. A great place to be man.
What ones do you use?
It’s pretty fantastic. $3295, custom build for each customer. Non-disclosure agreement. Can’t buy on US territory due to the creator’s hatred of the US military-industrial complex. If you’re in and know someone who can get you an introduction, it’s the best purchase you’ll ever make. Absolutely incredible.
Found one! https://tubbutec.de/%c2%b5tune/
Yeah that one’s a cheap reduced feature knock off inspired by the real deal, but I hear it’s not too bad for those on a budget.
2600 – i mean 2600! 😀
(ok maybe need another monosynth)
2600, will that be the retail price?
So far they have announced plans to make these, nothing more.
I plan to make a CS80 and sell it for $500. Excited?
I don’t know you, but it’s more likely that I’d buy your CS80 clone than anything with the Behringer logo on it.
Funny, that they don’t mention the Model D on their site.
Is it DBR ?
Hmm…where’s all the haters? Maybe Behringer has just worn them out.
My first synth was a CAT. Used it at a few of our High School Jazz band jazz festivals. Couldn’t afford a road case so carried it around in the original box lol. Would definitely buy this clone.
I’d be happy just to actually get the ‘D’ I preordered months ago ….. my rep is now saying spring of next year 🙁
VCX3 O! M! G!
Yes! Buying ARP and Synthi!
I would like to see this move by Behringer Pressure the other manufacturers into reissuing classics (digital and analog) at mass market prices. I would love to see Roland and Yamaha reissue some classics from the 70s to late 90s.
Curiously, the section on their site is titled “Synthesizers and Samplers.”
Wonder if they’re working on an SP-1200 clone or some such insanity.
to be honest if the original manufacturers are not re-issuing, and it’s legal i think we would all be glad to be able to pick any of these units up. i just saw an original 808 going for around 5k, sheesh. re: above, it would be awesome if they did an SP1200 while they’re at it!
go for it Behringer!
There are basically only two ways cloning a synth could have any legal risk:
1) Patent infringement. Patents in the US and Germany are 20 years. So if the synth came out before 1997, there’s nothing stopping even a perfect, circuit-for-circuit clone.
2) Trademark / trade dress infringement. This is where software clones usually run into trouble. You definitely can’t use the name of a company that is currently in business (trademark) and if you make something that *looks* too much like something a company currently sells, even if it’s no longer under patent (such as the Minimoog reissue), you might get a cease and desist / threat of a lawsuit until you make it clearly look different (trade dress). So that’s why the Behringer D can’t look exactly like a Minimoog, even if the concept is the same.
> such as the Minimoog reissue
Moog Inc. went bankrupt. Their assets, including patents and trademarks, were sold to another company. Bob then formed Big Briar Music so that he could keep making things.
Years later it turned out the Moog trademark was not so valuable without Bob. And he bought his name back. But not patents, since the patents had expired.
The rights on the original instruments have expired other than things such as the copyright on the user and service manuals.
What’s the point? The point is that the current Moog company has almost no legal connection at all to the Moog company of the 1970s.
When the current Moog started making Model D clones a few years ago, after Bob passed (Bob definitely didn’t approve of the clones), their legal situation was no different at all than from Behringer’s Model D. Both were companies that had nothing to do with the original Moog who were making a clone.
I’m eyeing the CAT. Yyyyyyyyessss!!!
I’m not disappointed in this news. That being said, it would have been great if the rumored OSCar clone would also have been included in this list.
F#%^ off with this market research pretending to be product release notes, Behringer.
Just make products and we’ll buy them.
Still waiting on the vocoder they announced when Roland did, to steal their thunder.
Lot of would-be-very-nice, but I-don’t-believe-it stuff.
They already have sufficient problems producing and releasing the ‘D’, since the actual price will not be competitive to what’s on the market now.
The Wasp and Cat could be nice, and of course the 2600: but I’d like to hear it first, and then see it released on the market awaiting the price.
I know there’s a very nice DIY set for EMS synti / vcs3 available nowadays, but unfortunately comparing them to the original soundwise is like comparing painting with water colours to painting based on oil.
Great plans, Behringer, nothing wrong with that. Now for the realization …
Hmm, appears that they’ve all of this down already.
Can anyone please make a NEW product instead of this cheap clone rubbish?
This is another market research using the same strategy as with the model D clone. It was announced in march, but not delivered a single unit yet.
I remember asking Behringer to create Putney long time ago.
This is so great. Definitely going to buy one.
oh goody, lets flood the market with more remakes…being creative for these guys just isn’t in the books is it?
Have you tried the Deepmind 12 or 6?
What? No? Then shad ap.
Blame all the synth heads asking for re-makes of these.
I think the synth marked actually needs people to get a chance to get hold of the classics. So that they can move on.
Can I get excited about a huge number of teasers? It is synthesiser Top Trumps.
You can get an MS20 from the original manufacturer. Why tease us with a product that is already being made? (Much as the CAT when you can get a modern Odyssey….?)
Roland are redoing the SH101.
The ARP, Wasp and VCS are exciting. I have a Wasp clone (a Jasper). The ARP would be interesting (although cloned at very high quality recently in kit form) and the EMS would be very interesting. I have played a Synthi (this is the suitcase model, the model being ripped off/cloned is the VCS. The body of the article is correct but not the headline) and it was great. I wonder how they will get the matrix in for a good price at the same quality.
As others have commented on, the big B don’t really feature in the best seller lists. Korg do and have some of these old school synths already in production. There is a market for this especially for a company who actually makes them. I have some label snobbery and I have learnt that the correct tool is worth paying for, my SH101 is 35 years old and still going strong! But I would be temptable with some of these, much as other people would be tempted by the other synths. If they ever turn up………..in the mean time I will ignore the teasers and stick with my growing DIY Serge. This makes Korg look good and Arturia look creative. Does it make Behringer look desperate?
While it certainly tried to piggyback on the success of the Odyssey at the time, The Cat was and is very much its own synth with its own character.
K-20 is polychained unlike original manufacturer
BTW, where can I buy the model D clone (Behringer D) ? 😀
A Synthi! I really hope these do all make it to market. Also it would be great if Behringer can produce the VP-330 that was hinted at a while ago. All we need now is a real space echo clone…
I’m fascinated with all of this, same as any other synth fanboy, but I’m kind of past serious hardware. I cut my teeth on Moogs, ARPs and etc., so I’m happy with software synths as a natural progression. The sounds are so close to anything I want to emulate that arguments seem silly. Of course, I’m buyin’ myself a D-05 for Christmas, so I’m not immune. Gonna sample that beast hard! I hope these will be solid instruments in use, but more than that, I hope people will do more with them than just dance bass or synth farts. I’m happy to give Uli a fair shot at this. Its ambitious, but if it works out…
A Jupiter 8 clone would be nice…
all the links are 404 now :/
Per the article:
“Update: Behringer has updated the Musictribe site to remove info for these products.”
also, build a f*cking arp 2500!!!
That would make my day! No, year!
I have an ARP 2600, a Synthi VCS3, and an EDP WASP in my studio.
This is going to destroy the crazy resale value of all three of these.
And yet I’m happy with the news. Why? A full copy with new parts beats my keeping these things working with parts no longer in production.
The only group this is bad for are speculative collectors that don’t even play their instruments.
Those of us that PLAY these instruments will all be happy because we can buy and tour with NEW STOCK.
Thanks Uli!
You think Behringer is not using SMD for these? I bet they are…
Of course they are. I’ve got degrees in physics and electrical engineering and decades of experience in this industry. If you’re a serious player I’ve designed at least a few of the instruments you already use. Their using SMD module equivalents is irrelevant and if you think otherwise you are mistaken.
how are you going to replace your vintage parts with new ones if they are smd
Behringer have pulled all of these instruments down on their website and issued an apology. It seems that they did not intend to make us all go insane over things that they may or may not be producing.
Tease me with a VCS3 and then not let me have it?
You’re dead to me Uli.
Dear Friends,
Many of you are already well aware, but it was brought to our attention that early this morning a rather unfortunate error occurred on the Behringer product page. This error mistakenly posted information for a number of different product design concepts from our product management repository which is contained and part of an automated backend system for our websites. The cause of the error was due to a website glitch and was completely unintentional. The moment we realized the error, we removed the content.
As we are owning the mistake, we also feel it’s necessary to inform the public about this error as a sign of good faith. It was not our intention to mislead customers in any way nor use this as a marketing tool. To be perfectly transparent, the leaked information does not imply any availability at this time or even definitive evidence that we intend to officially develop or deliver these products in the future. At this stage, the leaked products are merely concepts and nothing more.
To be honest we are embarrassed by this glitch and sincerely apologize to you who have been so supportive of our efforts over the years. We greatly appreciate your support and understanding of the situation.
Michael Lapke
Specialist, Community
MUSIC Tribe
BEHRINGER?
So they aren’t coming out, oh. Man April fools I guess
808 used “defect” transistors for some sounds, which are not available anymore.that is why the 808 was limited in production numbers.
P.S remember the UMC1820 audio interface ? Took Behringer 2 years+ to get it in retail after the original NAMM announcement. Bummer is that all these products seem not to have any preset store/restore memory.
SYNTHI! I am game on this one…people normally had to wait 10 years to get one made …your the best Uli!
Nammshow could be interesting next year 😀
where is the Jupiter 8 clone? step up and give the middle finger to Roland good and proper Behringer!
I don’t see the point in having a Korg MS-20 clone when Korg already has a reissue you can buy right now. Korg is the king of affordable analog I trust them as a company but not Behringer.
OB-Xa missing in action??? 🙁
Hopefully Behringer adds patch memory to ALL their analog synths. Big selling point.
the missing patch memory was the turn off for me in regard to model D.
Great news Bored man, you’ll be happy to learn that you can get the instrument you want here: https://www.moogmusic.com/products/Minimoog
I don’t think these clones are going to devalue the original vintage synths at all. For example, the circuitry of a Behringer Model D may be equivalent to that of a Minimoog, but I would much rather have a Minimoog. Most important of all, an original Minimoog is a piece of history and there is a mystique about owning and playing the real thing. Furthermore, the Minimoog’s beautiful cabinet adds so much to its value and then there is the way the controls are spaced that makes it so much easier to use compared to the compact clones that are popular in small home studios. Equating the Model D with a real Minimoog is like equating a cubic zirconium to a real diamond.
Why this is good for everyone.
Poor people (like me): will get a close to certain vi tage sound/device they wanted but not breal the bank.
Rich people: this will just make more people know about the vintage original versions thus driving up their value.
It is truly a win win.
…. yesssah, I want that EMS Synthi!!!!
EMS Synthi & ARP2600 first!
i guess a huge part of the value would be to reproduce part of the ergonomie
Can I pre order the Synthi now?
I will pre order 2 years in advance and still get faster than ordering a new one.
Its 2020 and they have kept their word, done all of the above but one! The EMS. Thats the one i wanted most.
Make it happen, pretty pls…