Behringer today shared this sneak preview video of their upcoming line of Moog modular clones in Eurorack format, the System 55 Modular Synthesizer.
The Behringer Moog clones copy modules from Moog’s 70’s era System 15, System 35 & System 55, but at about 60% of their original size.
While clones of many classic Moog designs are already readily available in Eurorack format, Behringer’s clones closely copy the general look and feel of the original modules and are expected to be competitively priced. Uli Behringer has previously suggested that most of their Euro modules would be priced in the range of $50-100 USD.
It’s not clear from the teaser video whether Behringer plans to market an actual Euro clone of the complete System 55. They preview packaging for individual modules, though, so one should be able to buy the modules and assemble custom systems.
Pricing and Availability
The video notes that the modules shown are engineering samples, so information pricing and availability is to come.
Anybody else lol at the placement of the Sequential Switch?
As always with Behringer, the price promises to be the big feature, and it looks like the these should be solid bread and butter modules.
I wish they’d come up with a consistent look and feel for their Euro modules, though, instead of copying Moog with half of them and Roland with the other half. They’re kind of an OCD nightmare
Be a shame if this didn’t match all the other Euro stuff that does…
Eurorack is not for people with OCD.
Spot on, the very reason I will never touch modulars…..all those bloody wires!
Please do these useful modules too:
928 – sample and hold / glide module
912 – envelope follower
904C – filter coupler
Is there anyway to preserve the oscillator slot and CV bus normalling found in the system 55? It saves a lot wiring in system xx like configs. Maybe some coax bundles or special backplanes an eager vendor can build? At least for the oscillators? Or is this implemented by the PCB in the behringer case shown in the video? I am totally building cabinets of this if it is.
I think i’ll get their moog 55 filter and roland 100 filter and make my own Pro-3 with simultaneous filters, multiple mixer/overdrive stages and spring reverb . . if i can stay true to my old plans and get a few doepfer quad lfos (if they’re still in production or in stock by then) i’ll have my dream synth one day 😀
Doh! I just noticed, that’s exactly where I put my 962, right next to the 923! Literally 2 slots over to the left.
It’s just a placeholder for now 🙂
See! They really did it! And they’re not friggin half bad at at that.
Where’s SMS when you need him?
Nice video. This will definitely be where my eurorack journey begins
To answer a key question from the video “what would you like to see”:
I would like to see an equivalency mapping between Moog system 55 and Behringer system 15. There has been a significant refactoring of lesser modules, such as the 904 A & B VC High and Low pass filter modules are now a single 923 signal module is paired with a new CV subsection of the 992 CV module. Same trick with the 921x’s. Also, While an oscillator driver 921A is present, neither 921B or 921 are shown in detail. So, it’s hard to see what’s missing since it’s not all shown.
I suppose I could do it myself with screen caps from the videos and system 55 fan sites… but this should be part of the lead marketing material. With the addition of the sequencer module a complete Behringer system 55 would be my ‘starter system’, would like to see representative pricing for that. Then I’ll scale up – more interested in patching layered single note tracks than paraphonics. So, more VCA, VCF, EG, and fewer OSC’s.
My third cabinet would be other vendors – to quell the multi-design-style-nightmare,. 🙂
Sorry got the 923 stuff wrong there. Learned a lot in the last 24 hours.
Same here. To answer the question in the video:
After looks through the images, there has been a refactoring of CV paths for oscillators and filters, plus rearrangements of CP modules; many of these are not knob-for-knob-jack-for-jack clones. So, it’s not going to be a system 55 replica, but mostly equivalent. For me that’s fine 🙂
I would like to see more material around module integration into system 55 or 35 type structures.
I’m more interested in multi-signal path monophonic patching than paraphonics, so less oscillators, more EG, VCA, filter options. Although paraphonics would be fine later. Looking to build system 55 plus extra cab for more 3rd party stuff – digital oscillators, effects, filters.
Why does this sound so flaccid?
it’s the ‘Uli sound’
LOL I applaud Behringer for pumping out so much but in my eyes, it’s quantity over quality. I got my preorder for the Korg ARP 2600 and can’t wait for it. Now they just teased a video with their version of it and I have zero interest in it. They may sound spot on, but deep down it’s just not the same. They help the every day musician get their hands on all kinds of equipment they otherwise would not have been able to, but at the end of the day, it looks and feels like a toy. If I’m putting money down for something, I want it to be an investment at least so that I can get something back years down the line. With Behringer, you can say bye bye to that idea.
Cheap parts. Poor tolerance parts. Cuting corners…But it looks right!
The Roland modules look like Roland modules, and the Moog modules look like Moog modules. Why make them look coherent?
Because they’re not Moog modules or Roland modules?
And because Euro systems always end up looking like a design nightmare.
“And because Euro systems always end up looking like a design nightmare.” – oh ain’t that the truth. 🙂
I actually forgot about these. I prefer Moog clones over Roland, and FS rather than Euro, but I’ll eat what I can chew for now.
What everyone here wants to know, Carl, is, are you planning to add these to your studio? 🙂
Do Behringer will be exist if he’ll wipe out whole competition with his prices and there will be not any gear to clone? So we’ll live with clones until end of the world? Or it’ll be only one company making synths – Behringer.
It will hurt anyone dealing in everyday/basic modules, but be good for people making experimental/weird ones.
i dont hear moog modular in the teaser… guess behringer did again a poor job like their k-2 which sounds worst even than the mini. i was looking forward to those cheaper modules but i guess aion is now the only option for quality moog eurorack.
“worst even than the mini” considering all the positive tests and comparisons online, I wonder from where this assumption comes. I own an original minimoog and I know very well his sound. Everything I heard from the behringer mini was very very close, almost unable do tell the difference. The feel of an original mini is also related with the piece of gear itself. That is not replicated in the behringer mini (mod D) but is not true that the sound that comes from it is not at the same level from the original. You can for sure notice some very subtle difference but the statement that is just a poor quality emulation, implicit in the post, is absolutely not true for my ears and majority of people who actually made a side by side comparison.
Original minis, remakes made by moog, studioelectronics minimidi (maybe also the last incarnation) are superior pieces of gear: bigger size, better knobs, serviceable thru hole discrete components, built as tanks, proved to be durable goods (some are going to be 50 years old and still play hard). Beh mini is less solid, not proven as durable being a young product (and of course different and old beh products have been reported in the past as faulty or poor built), less ergonomic, less serviceable and maybe less future proof.
But this is it, when we talk about the instrument itself. Than we have the “moral” debate about the clones, not related with the quality of the product. Ah, and the debate about the use of china labor…ok boys, 90% of our stuff is made in china, change the world and behringer will follow. By the way, I remember that the complaints related with the customs duties (Tru_p) for the electronic components coming from china involved Moog brand itself: components, circuit boards etc. coming from china are made the same way as everything coming from china, and we are not talking just of work conditions, but also of heavy pollution potentially involved in such production. For me eating the entire shit sandwich or just half, but designed and assembled in USA is not so big difference. In any case, how many european or americans (or simply “rest of the world”) work at Behringer? I would like to see, in numbers, considering all the work involved in conceive a product, built it and his components, distribute, do marketing and sell, a Behringer or a Moog product in comparison, how many people worked and where they live, or from where they come. Maybe some surprise here.
By the way, in the 70 and 80 a huge amount of very professional and pricey synths were incredibly faulty due to poor construction, use of new materials and processes in production, poor materials engineering, etc.
Today we expect lifetime guarantee on 300$ synths.
maaan, you wrote a lot of nonsense… and no, there are no video comparisions that people tell the k-2 is close enough. everybody is talking about the difference and less aggressive filters. and yeah *offtopic* i would admit their d clone is almost there, maybe 80% minimoog sound, their oddy is also very good, but the rest of the clones are not worth it. and as it seem from these videos of upcoming modular clones, they are also miles away from those moog and roland systems. this was their chance to proof a point and make a name for them, but i guess they just prooved that you get what you pay for.
oh boy, by the way you wrote “worst even than the mini”, which means: the mini sounded bad already, and the k 2 is even worst. so no offtopic at all, you refer to two behringer synths in your post, the k2 and the mini, and I replied to that. (unless you were offtopic first)
also a little hazard to say that the new modules are “miles away” considering that basically nobody still heard or tested them….and the background muzack of the video is no real reference.
also the behringer pro 1 sounds good to me. so with the mini and odyssey they have at least 3 more than decent sounding clones. not satisfied with the ms 20 or the 303? you have alternatives. the 303 is the holy grail of clones. in the last 20 years we collected dozens of clones for that. Some good and some bad. the Behringer one is not the best probably, but I cannot see any shame here unless we blame all the serial copies we have seen.
Yes with behringer you get what you pay for, also with other companies like arturia, novation or waldorf. (and not just these). with others you pay the extra heritage and sometimes better overall quality, which is very good if you value that specific heritage, or if you are a musician/feticist, a collector, a rich boy, or a real professional who want to invest in a reliable “real thing”, also for the “image” on stage. But 90% of musical instruments are sold to people who play just for fun, even if music have a strong role in their life.
mini as in the ms-20 mini… which is a distaster from korg, one of the worst build quality of a synth /especially from a huge brand/ and also very, very different /in a bad way/ from the original ms-20, and still, behri presented an even worst clone – the k-2. with the 303, uli admited they actually cloned a clone of a 303 so no point to discuss anything here, this only shows the total lack of ideas and knowledge of the behri.
ok I got it. peace
You own a minimoog, not a moog modular. The two do not sound the same. I wish people would understand there is a distinction.
I understand Behringer’s marketing strategy , to bring super affordable and cheap products to the masses
by trying to copy the legends in the game throughout history . At first I thought it was kinda cool but now give me a break this has become a complete joke .
Throughout history there’s never been anything wrong with artis copying other artist for inspiration and taking it to express their own original content but this is just stealing plane and simple . I could see if they put there own vision on these imitation, that might even be cool but this is not ok . We would never except a artis Copying another artis with a cheap knock album so why is artistry in instruments Production any different.
Clearly Behringer has no moral compass or respect for themselves or the ledgers that there trying to rip off , so sad .
A complete joke to whom? Do you feel the same way about the many companies that sell copies of Gibson, Fender, and Rickenbacker guitars? When you go to the grocery store, do you always purchase name brand products, or do you purchase generic / off brand versions? Is it a complete joke when companies other than Nabisco make their version of the Oreo? That is, “…just stealing plain and simple.” Aaaand, as this analogy extends to many Behringer products, would it be wrong, due to demand, for another company to clone the Oreo decades after Nabisco stopped making it?
The fact of the matter is that most people cannot afford to purchase a 40 year old $3000+ vintage Minimoog and similar pieces of vintage gear that sell for big bucks on eBay. Have you ever seen what a basic original Roland System 100m setup sells for on eBay? How much did Moog’s System 55 reissue cost a few years ago? Do you think that it’s okay to keep affordable versions of this gear out of the hands of musicians who cannot afford the originals? Should making music with this gear only be available to the elite with money?
Behringer has no moral compass? I would argue that Behringer’s moral compass is the opposite of what you are implying. Watch the end section of the Behringer 30 year anniversary video that was recently posted on YouTube and listen to Uli Behringer himself talk about his vision for Behringer products. He says that he wants people who could otherwise not afford these instruments to be able to have access to them so that they can fulfill their musical dreams. Is it about making money for the Behringer company? Of course it is. That’s business. Most businesses are in business to make money, LOL. You can question Uli’s sincerity (I don’t), but the fact remains that musicians who could not afford and have access to these products can in many cases afford the Behringer version and can fulfill their musical dreams with these instruments.
The business world is often very competitive. For most companies, competition is part and parcel of the markets that they involve themselves with. The business world as it relates to music is no different. Behringer is providing musicians with what they are asking for while other companies are not (e.g. Roland). You can argue the ideologies that drive the various music companies, but when you run a business and you come upon a successful formula and you are simultaneously meeting your mission statement of helping to fulfill musical dreams, it’s a win win situation for that company.
If anything your post just proves my point .
According to your logic everybody in the world should have a Mansion , Lamborghini and a Kardashian because it’s not fair that somebody else who worked hard can afford all of those thing .
You want to give a trophy to the team that lost , A Valedictorians speech for the drop outs and a Checkered flag for the car that came in last .
There’s plenty of things out there I want and can not afford yet and that makes it so much sweeter when I get those thing through hard work not by someone feeling sorry for be and trying to sell me a cheap dream .
Agin I understand being inspired by the greats but that’s not what we have hear with Behringer it’s an obvious cash grab to cause disruption for sport . Why are they doing it , I’ll tell you why I believe they are because Behringer has always been looked at as a joke in the pro audio industry and now there making an even bigger one of themselves . Time will tell it always does .
“Part and parcel”, had a VP of engineering say that all the time. You’re right though. None of these complainers have any real large scale product development experience.
A complete joke to lots of people. People who value quality, jobs, intellectual property, or just doing the right thing. Those people…
“We would never except a artis Copying another artis with a cheap knock album”
i think the history of popular music disagrees with you 🙂
Wait…what? Roland steadfastly have stated over and over (and again as recently as a few weeks ago) that they do not want to make their old analog gear. So i say ….if they dont want to do it, then thats their own mis-guided fault and others should be able to do it.
Go Behringer!
Why do these vids always feature slow moving slightly out of focus camera? Just show us the gear. In focus!
this gonna wipe-out the small clone providers 😀
Why would i pay 300-400 € for another clone, when I can go with a 50-100 € Behringer clone?
thank you Behringer, you really set the bottum standard!
Would be wise to see them as instruments instead of instruments by some specific company. Who are all those brand loyal people, who care more about the name than the result?
What’s the Behringer module count, at this point?
All this hollering. Just give me a Subsequent 37. Poof, I has Moog!
The sound difference between Behriinger Model D and a Minimoog is not bigger than the difference between two Minimoogs.
In other Words “A good clone!”
Of course that’s true. 50 year old electronics has so much component value drift due to age and heat, not to mention the parasitics of those old TH circuits are completely different than modern SM electronic component and PCB’s. A value for value recreation will not sound the same. But it’s close enough. That old Moog sounded different when it was new.
Man everytime these guys drop something, i can tell instantly the people who make music everyday compared to the synth snob mofos. I bet you are all the same people that got mad when you favorite indie band got big. GO MAKE SOME MUSIC AND STOP WHINING ON FORUMS!
Are you familiar with the term “hypocrisy”?
ill never let my real mini go, they are fully discrete, you might not notice difference on youtube and headphones, but pull your speakers on with the real thing and feel the force…
behringer is freaking busy
This company has more resources than any other Eurorack manufacturer — more money, more manufacturing, more engineering — yet the things that they choose to make are ersatz copies of stuff from 50 years ago run through the machine in the movie “Honey I Shrunk The Kids”
Not to appear ungrateful but, I guess I don’t get the 992, and CP3A-0 – the ones with the controller input switches. If the busses are exposed, allow sensible H/V routing by putting the bus inputs on the Control Voltage cards on the bottom so they can fold along the side of the case (vertically). and the output above the inputs so they can route Horizontally. Otherwise, provide internal connections so users can route the busses inside where there they don’t clutter up the front.
It’s gonna need a lot of 1-2HP filler panels to make everything line up right. 🙁 the slot pitch is all over the place.