Will The Behringer UB-Xa Be The First Truly Great Knockoff Synth?

Will the upcoming Behringer UB-Xa be the first truly great knockoff synth?

That’s the question raised by this video demo by Bernd Brüning, aka The Synth King.

Previous demos of the UB-Xa left many unimpressed, with some readers saying it sounded ‘boring‘ and other saying it sounds ‘bland and uninspired‘. But Brüning has been part of the beta tester team for the Behringer UB-Xa, and has had time to understand the capabilities of the synth and create his own custom presets.

Brüning notes that “The sounds were recorded without any effects, dynamic processing or whatsoever straight into the audio interface. For the performances in split mode, I’ve added a slight touch of reverb.”

The results speak for themselves. His video demonstrates an instrument that sounds lush, biting, expressive and capable.

Behringer has pioneered the category of knockoff synths – inexpensive, unofficial copies of popular instruments – and they have gotten very good at it.

With most of their instruments, though, the key selling point is that its a cheap copy of a collectable vintage synth. It’s often obvious where design changes and compromises have been made to make the copies cheaper to manufacturer, whether it’s shrinking the instrument, using tiny controls, chopping an octave of the keybed or forcing the design into a stock form-factor. These changes help make Behringer’s copies really affordable.

The Synth King’s demo suggest that the Behringer UB-Xa is something different.

It’s still obviously a knockoff, copying the Oberheim OB-Xa’s name, architecture, styling and sound.

But, unlike many of Behringer’s synths, the UB-Xa doesn’t have obvious design changes and compromises to make it cheap to manufacture. With an expected price tag of $1,500, many won’t consider it inexpensive. It’s a big instrument, with a full-size keyboard. And it has features that promise to move the UB-Xa design significantly forward, including polyphonic aftertouch and 16-voice polyphony.

Most importantly, based on this demo, the Behringer UB-Xa sounds good and like a capable, powerful instrument.

Does the UB-Xa take Behringer’s knockoffs to the next level? Check out the video demo and share your thoughts in the comments!

104 thoughts on “Will The Behringer UB-Xa Be The First Truly Great Knockoff Synth?”

  1. Nope Hardly?! Especially now with the OB-X8 on the streets don’t care what the price is of the knockoff b-ear-ringer clowns are offerin’ their’s for can’t top the original Obie close but no cigar folks

      1. It was here, just below my puffy tail.

        But seriously, why do YOU feel so hurt when someone criticizes a heartless corporation?

          1. The implication of the joke as that the OP is over-reacting. The joke seems to imply “wow, the O.P. being so mean to b-word!” The joke just seems condescending and dismissive– and perhaps a little inappropriate — you do know what the whole “point-to-the-doll” thing is, don’t you?

    2. IMHO the word knockoff and specially related to behringer has been over used in this site. Lets agree and ask fellow synthopiaist for a one dollar jar every time the word “knockoff” is used!

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            We’re guessing from the context of your comment that you’re trying to say that Synthtopia has a bias against Behringer.

            If so, it seems strange to suggest this on a post where we praise the sound of Behringer’s UBXa, we state that “it has features that promise to move the UB-Xa design significantly forward, including polyphonic aftertouch and 16-voice polyphony,” and we say that “the Behringer UB-Xa sounds good and like a capable, powerful instrument.”

            Are you getting hung up on the fact that we use the term ‘knockoff’ for hardware designs that are inexpensive, unofficial copies of popular gear – and missing the point of the article?

            1. None of my business, and old news, but he said bias toward, not bias against, so your reply seems illogical unless I am the one who is confused. But I’m staying out of it and I’m also VERY interested in this synth!

      3. Why would anybody be offended by the term ‘knockoff’? Does it hurt your feelings or something because you own a Behringer synth?

        Behringer’s bread and butter has always been knockoffs, the majority of their synths are knockoffs, and they’ve even said that making knockoffs is their business strategy. You don’t have to be a brain surgeon to be able to see this fact.

        How can you justify wanting Synthtopia to gloss this over and give Behringer special treatment?

  2. As I watched the video with my jaw continuing to drop further toward the floor, I realized that my beloved Kurzweil K2661 has just lost its spot as the only full-sized 61-key instrument in my studio. Oh, I’ll keep the K2661 but I will most likely never use its keybed again to play another synth in my studio. That’s how jaded I’ve become after experiencing the wonders of the Hydrasynth and Iridium polyphonic aftertouch keyboards.

  3. Nothin’ beat’s the K2661 man?!(regrettably mine was recently burglarized, still got my K2kSv.3 though it was in the shop gettin’ some new keys) Unless your keybed on the Kurz is just totally wore out, Especially no knockoff from those b-ear-ringer clowns, I don’t care what it costs save ur money for the OB-X8, don’t be fooled dude.

    1. I just listened to these amazing sound of the behringer ub xa while looking at pictures of the oberheim ob x8. Wonderful combination.

      1. I did it as well becouse i somewhat prefer the blue design of the origina and just to understand if i can hear something different, Its may be the sound designers or just the actual demos but the Oberheim OBX8 sounds so much better, big and lush and musicial with that extra something, the behringer sounds metallic and thin by compresent.

      2. I did it aswell becouse i somewhat prefer the blue design of the original and just to understand if i can hear something different, Its may be the sound designers or just the actual demos but the Oberheim OBX8 sounds so much better, big lush and musicial with that extra something, the berhinger sounds metallic and thin by compresent.

      1. I didn’t say I liked’em because they were good. I didn’t know any better over 20 year’s ago when they first came on the scene, just thought their silver livery looked cool, the price was reasonable, the mixers sounded okay & were convinent for small venues. What did it for me with b-ear-ringer; was doin’ a bar band gig, the sound technician person at the place hooked the thing up to the PA system (was using it to mix K2000, S-10 & TR-505) now I don’t know what the guy did but as soon as thing was connected to the board it let out a high pitched screech that wouldn’t stop and went on for at least a minute & a half (seemed longer) and drove out a crowd of over a 100 to about ten including my bandmates. Well needless to say that’s when the moniker ‘b-ear-ringer’ was first coined by the band & whoever was leftover from the vanquished audience (close friends of the band) & that was the end of that. The thing became dumpster junk that nite and was replaced by a cheapo Tascam portastudio that still works today & remains as an analog audio frontend for recording to the RCA inputs of a Dell all-in-one computer running Wins7 nuff said dude(s)

  5. Not hurt just can’t, don’t & won’t endorse’m it’s nothin’ personal. I’d really like to hear what TomO’s thoughts are pertaining to b-ear-ringer dude..

      1. Well that’s surprisingly commendable that Uli (still a clown) did that. TomO is a great old guy, deservably & grateful most graciously folks

        1. on first look it seems nice of uli to do so but if you think about it, this knockoff aimed at the 1500$ price tag, it’s a different market from the 200$ knockoff. people who spend that much will not appreciate you try to fool them to think it’s from the original manufacture. maybe we should ask our self why berhinger acquire the name in the first place? the only reason to acquire the logo and the name is too fool people who don’t know better.

      2. here is the rest of it, which paints a more accurate picture. Tom is a gentleman, so of course he is going to respond in a classy way.

        “With Tom back on the scene and Gibson not doing anything with the brand, JC Curleigh, CEO of Gibson, returned the trademark and intellectual property back to Tom Oberheim as a gesture of goodwill in 2019. However, this only covered the USA and a few other countries. In the intervening time, Music Tribe Global Brands had registered non-US Oberheim trademarks along with many other synthesizer names and brands. They did attempt to register the name Behringer Oberheim in the USA but it was rejected by the patent office.”

        If the patent hadn’t been rejected, I doubt Behringer would have given up the non-US rights, but this, of course, is only assumption on my part.

  6. Hey if it’s great, great! No one is forcing us to buy one, or not, either way. I hope it’s good. I’d feel more comfortable bringing something like this to a gig before either vintage hardware or a new OB-X8. If it works, feels good, and sounds good, and is reliable, then nobody loses.

      1. I have 30+ year old Roland and Korg synths that I would never use at a gig because I doubt their reliability… the JD800 that is in bits in my workshop waiting to be repaired is testament to that… I own and use Behringer stuff as well (studio and gig) and never had a problem so far.

        1. Well, I work as an audio engineer, one of the companies I’ve done audio installations for previously had 50$ Behringer mixers for background music and speech mics, 4 out of 5 of them broke in a couple of years. As they broke, I’ve replaced them with 100$ Yamaha mixers, because they have been flawless for me. Double the price might seem expensive, until you are inevitably in a situation where your gear stops working in a critical situation. I’ve also bought a couple of Behringer mics as spares, all of them broke in a few years of light live gig usage. Their HD400 isolator is good though, it’s so simple it probably won’t break and it does it’s job well.

  7. I say no. This is so far the best demo I heard. This UB-Xa does sound good, and it obviously inherited a lot of its specifications from the Oberheim, but I’m not hearing that typical filtered Oberheim sound. A very good attempt to clone the original, but it will have to earn its marks on its own, not as the replica it was intended to be.

  9. I am still wondering, why they are copying the fine graphic styles and designs of legendary machines and implements the electronics by copying the behavior of them. It is for the money and profit is my suggestion.
    People should not do that. Where is the respect for the creators of the originals.
    Now, we have thousands of cheap produced copies of some instruments, which will be used to mass-reproduce the much overheard sounds again and again.
    Build fewer instruments, use own ideas and techniques, do less, do it better.

    1. There is no respect, only a brand who try to capitalized on people nostalgic feeling and costumers who cares only about what they can get for the least without thinking about the consciousnesses.
      I hope whoever buy this will have his best music knockedoff

  10. Scroll down this page just two press releases to the “Sounds Of The New Oberheim OB-X8” and listen.
    Knockoff vs Real.
    Thin vs Thick.
    Shallow vs Deep.

      1. he was clearly talking about the sound. it does sound better than the earlier video but i agree it is thin, metallic and soulless compered to the latest obx8 demos, maybe it’s just the sound designers, maybe it’s the vintage knob of the obx8, maybe it is what it is.

        “Your hate is blinding you to reality”

        for the fun “TimS”, lets check your comments here from the last two weeks about the the obx8:

        “IMHO, for 50 Benjamins, it seems like the OB-X8 should have more knobs and buttons.
        The amount of panel controls should be more like a Waldorf Q or Alesis Andromeda”

        “For $5,000 it seems like it should have more knobs and buttons.
        I’m just sayin’”

        “I got the Cherry Audio Eight Voice for $19. I know this is going to be hard to believe for many, but I actually prefer the Eight-Voice over the OBX8”

        “The reissues mentioned are primarily selling to the nostalgia crowd, many of whom are middle aged to seniors who now have money for expensive synths”

        do you want me to also quote you every time you complained about the term knockoff in the last months?

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      2. So far, the UB-Xa falls short of the OB-X8. Which… should be fine by everybody, right? One is around $1500 (supposedly) and the other much more.

        This doesn’t mean the synth sounds bad. It just doesn’t sound as good to a lot of people. Which, again, really ought to be the case when you have a knockoff vs. an original (with original creators working on it) and one costs multiples of the other.

        Over the next however many years it actually takes Behringer to ship a VCO poly, and then more than one, Behringer buyers can collect 3 or so good sounding knockoffs for around the price of an amazing X8, or they could buy an X8 and at least save some space (and have an even better sounding synth a lot sooner). Lots of a difference in up front costs, though! Too steep for me.

        Since I’m not a huge Xa fan, I’m waiting to hear the UB-X.

    2. Difficult to compare, because the OB-X8 uses in this video reverb and delay effects that thickens the sound. The sounds of to the UB-Xa are mainly dry.

      1. i don’t know what video you talking about because there is no obx8 in that video. some obx8 demos are raw and some with effects.
        It’s the other way around, delay and reverb can makes something sound more musical but you loose some of the rawness and thickness and need to trust the sound designer knows what he is doing.

  11. Absolutely brilliant, can’t wait to order…
    Btw; There aren’t many keybeds manufacturers, I hope it Fatar…

        1. Nope none sorry Kurz uses Fatar and some model’s use Medelli’s. YoungChang might use chiner keybeds for their pianos and some of the home electronic one’s they manufacture under different monikers (brandnames) but not on any ‘pro’-product they make dude

  12. Behringer started with unbelievably cheap monosynths and is now positioning as a more upscale “established” manufacturer. They’ll profit from both ends of the market.

  14. A lot of the people who despise Behringer and desperately wanted to see the UB-Xa fail are never going to be able to be objective about it – they wanted/hoped/needed it to sound sub-par and confirmation bias will make sure sub-par is what they hear. Meanwhile, there are a few longstanding GS members with vintage synth collections who have come out and said that, to their surprise, they are thus far liking the sonic texture of this as well or better than the OB-X8 and may opt for the Behringer. Rather nice how at least some seem to be able to be happy about Tom and Sequential releasing a new OB after all these years, but at the same time NOT get swept up in the wave of excitement over it to the extent of having heavily biased perceptions of the actual sounds.

    1. Unless they change their business model, they will eventually fail. The problem with a strategy of copying every popular instrument from other manufacturers is that it doesn’t take long to saturate the market with clones. They currently sell 11 different monosynths based on designs from the 70s and 80s and look set to do the same with polyphonic instruments. Each new release in a category is less interesting than the one before. The Model D and Pro01 were interesting, but by the time they got to the Cat and Wasp, I had tuned them out.

      Once they’ve delivered the “greatest hits” machines, what’s left? They’ll be releasing copies of Casio RZ-1 drum machines and the Siel DK600, devices that were lackluster in the mid-1980s and have little to recommend them today.

  16. Three questions a musician should actually ask themself:

    Does it sound good?
    Will this product help my production?
    Does anyone listening to my tunes actually care that a Behringer product might have produced the sound(s)?

    1. i agree with your first two questions but not with the third one, unless your focus as a musician is only about you and your successes instead of your quality of music you should aim for the best possible end results, no matter the audience.

      and there is one more question you can ask yourself,
      when i buy a product from a brand that only tries to makes money and control the market by using others designs with no respect (and attacking other brands with law suits and so much more ethically wrong behavior) do i only serve myself by fulfilling urges that i have been programed to want while not caring i support this evil and the long term effects on my profession i love?

  17. The number of comments to Behringer OB videos outnumber the comments to Oberheim OB videos here roughly 10 to 1. Make of that what you want. I guess it’s more fun to be against something than for something.

    1. i don’t know how good you are with statistics but its equal number of people that are pro and against here. both are not necessarily based on objective thinking but with a brand that demonstrate the most wrongly behavior for about 30 years, lack of respect to the original designers and many other evil acts against brands and individuals i think it’s reasonable some will be “against” it.

  18. It’s a viable perception of human nature no matter what the pretentious ‘officianados’ say over at GS, a knockoff is a knockoff, cheap is cheap, clone is clone & a clown is a ? those words have negative connotations for a reason. It’s not just some premeditated attack by people who don’t know what they’re doin’ or sayin’ to people who presumably think they know better. There’s a very thin line between that & having an open mind to a product that’s made in ‘chiner’ for purely fiscal purposes, to dispute that on a professional level’s or basis (maybe it has no bearing to the hobbyist) doesn’t make it any less closer to the feasible truth. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise, close but no Cigar igar or calling a spade a Spade aren’t just some willy nilly outdated arbitrarily made colloquialisms folks.

  19. It’s a viable perception of human nature no matter what the pretentious ‘officianados’ say over at GS, a knockoff is a knockoff, cheap is cheap, clone is clone & a clown is a ? those words have negative connotations for a reason. It’s not just some premeditated attack by people who don’t know what they’re doin’ or sayin’ to people who presumably think they know better. There’s a very thin line between that & having an open mind to a product that’s made in ‘chiner’ for purely fiscal purposes, to dispute that on a professional level’s or basis (maybe it has no bearing to the hobbyist) doesn’t make it any less closer to the feasible truth. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise, close but no Cigar igar or calling a spade a Spade aren’t just some willy nilly outdated arbitrarily made colloquialisms folks.

  21. I think both the OB-X8 and this Behringer both sound great. I still play my original OB8 almost daily and believe me, I’m in nirvana, and NOT thinking about comparisons. These will both devalue the resale of my original, but I’M NOT selling it because it just sounds so amazing.
    Also, remember – Tom O., who is a hero, prototyped a eurorack system, barely got a handful of the newest TVSs out of the garage, so don’t be too quick to bank on any of these being truly available, widely available, for a long time, if ever – I’m skeptical. Luckily I don’t have to worry about it because my 40 year old big blue still sounds amazing and works every day.

    1. The OB-X8 is manufactured by Sequential, not in a garage. As for Tom’s recent manufacturing efforts, the man is 85 years old. Cut him some slack.

    2. Um. Not sure if you’ve been paying attention, but Sequential (with Focusrite behind them) are co-designing, building, and manufacturing these. There’s already ship dates, and, unlike some companies, Sequential doesn’t announce until they’re about to ship. So there’s nothing to be skeptical about.

      It’s pretty clear that Tom knew that, in order to scale and ship at higher volume, that he couldn’t do it alone.

    1. Yes, you can get about a 75% good idea of how an instrument sounds over the Internet. Almost all of them sound better in person, but the fundamental character remains the same.

  25. I was lucky enough to score a single Matrix-1000 when they were still cheap, but I kind of envy Synth King’s “Matrix 6000” video of six of them playing in concert. Definitely an underrated synth though I do wish it had multiple (or at least stereo) outputs.

  26. Their first great? No, that was the Model D. The UB-thingy is a CEM-knockoff that sounds like A CEM-based synth. Which they all do – more or less. Usefull at times. My next synth is Hydrasynth Deluxe.. Quantum is a tad too expensive for me at this point.

  27. I’ve had it with this is everyone afraid of being sued by Uli (guess ’cause he’s tried it before) They sure are over at GS where I’ve been banned on every b-ear-ringer forum for stating truth, These forums are not supposed to be proctored like this they should be places where ideas can be be expressed even though they might be critical observations folks

  28. Careful of what?! What are they gonna do be some sort of happy go lucky gestapo mob that’s gonna came after ya & tickle u to death thanx folks.

  29. Some of y’all sound ridiculous with the “I’m not buying anything from a company that rips off others” mentality. Just about everything you purchase in life is a rip off of something else. Including all your favorite non behringer purchases from any of the big 3 (Roland, Korg and Yamaha) all the way to Novation, Arturia, etc. They all copy/rip off each other and design their gear differently and call it another name. Behringer just doesn’t hide the fact of what their doing. If they never told you they were copying and just called their product a totally different name with a different design, you’d automatically like what was put out? They’re definitely hit or miss with some of their products for sure. But they seem to have done pretty well with their model d and deepmind (especially that one) from what I can see. Idk. Just seems extremely goofy to use the whole rip off thing as a reason to NOT buy something when everything in life that can be purchased is a rip off or has a clone of it. I highly doubt everyone is buying the original bed sheets, pillows, cereal, milk, clothes, etc from whatever company that started selling them.

    1. There is a big difference between the brands you mentioned and behringer. Most brands do use vco’s, vcf’s, vca’s but do allot of r&d around it and bringing new and interesting features that are very unique. If behringer would only make synths like the deepmind (that is based on the Juno but much more developed) nobody would complain. But they don’t, they mostly knockoff others design, give no credit and harassing brands, journalists and commenters trying to control and degrading the market we all love.
      Examples from other markets are not relevant, we don’t care about pillows, we care about synths and we show that by avoiding this leech and let other knows why so they will consider to do the same.

  30. Granted some of what u say is partly true but it’s not nutshelled, if it was b-ear-ringer wouldn’t be doin’ what they ARE perpetrating. Don’t be fooled by half-truths. They’re assuming that we’re all naive, cheap sheep & some are fallin’ for it apparently. This company’s sole goal is fiscal profitability and it’s calculated deceit. The deepmind 12 was the test for this concept for it’s new shipped price remains there most expensive kit to date (still somewhat reasonably priced & there’s not that many 12 voice polys) they put the thing out using their own monikers and it didn’t perform how they expected that’s when it was realized that biz model was not gonna be prosperous enough for’em, everything they’ve since put out has been a clone clown. Thinning that fineline to somewhere beyond defined normal convolution. Where they’ve situated theirselves at this point isn’t a unique proposition as u said everything borrows from something else but again the drawn line between borrowing, lending & ripping off stay’s a sterile foggy embolism. BTW korg wouldn’t be nothin’ without Yamaha and well Roland they’re a whole nother story but still reproachable. I’ll say this to give’em (b-ear-ringer) just the slightest bit of cred for hobbyists(& maybe for some ambitious beginners)who are only interested in having fun makin’ sounds they are adequate for these purposes but even in a semi-pro environment they’re still a questionable endeavor folks

  32. Low price China synths from Behringer and friends (Novation, ASM, etc, etc) come at a high price.
    Cosy up to oppressive regimes? Wholesome working life? Behringer staff live and work at the factory!
    Low price is not a virtue. It’s where the externalities and oppression are hidden.
    You have a choice. Just don’t fool yourself about what you are supporting. What kind of world you are shaping.
    New, comprehensive evidence of China’s oppression:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chinas-uyghur-detention-camps
    There are plenty of synth makers that don’t cosy up to violent authoritarian regimes like China. China wholely supports Russia’s war and war crimes. Why wouldn’t they? They are waiting to do the same to Taiwan.
    Maybe the likes a Behringer, Novation and ASM will be off the menu when China do finally follow through with their promise to invade and take over Taiwan? And the China-friendly companies will be aghast despite the writing being written loudly on the walls for decades.
    Maybe buy software instead? It’s honestly probablly not going to matter that much to your music.

      1. You have a point to make?
        Who ever said it was easy to do the right thing?
        But you do at least probably recognise that supporting a regime that imprisons people for years for not using their phone (because they are suspiciously trying to avoid being spied on) is wrong?

        1. He made a perfect point, which immediately exposed your hypocrisy and double standards. Let us know when you have stopped buying chinese electronics. Until then, get off your high horse. Here is a mostly chronological list of some of the countries bombed by the US since WW2: China, Korea, Guatemala, Indonesia, Cuba, Congo, Dominican Republic, Peru, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Lebanon, Grenada, Libya, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Iran, Panama, Iraq, Kuwait, Somalia, Bosnia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Serbia, Syria.

          Several were attacked more than once. Pretty much all NATO countries participate in US military action. Getting all fussy about Russia and acting like everything else is fine just demonstrates how conditioned you are by the media.

          The US has over 2 million prisoners in its prison system– a prison system that is run by private corporations. I’m an American so I’m not saying these things to be antiamerican, but simply to be realistic. China might be a bad government, but really all governments are run by the same class of villains. The differences are ultimately trivial.

          You have to be pretty naive to believe that the US (or Canada, or the UK, etc) are not spying on you through your phone, computer, internet, etc. They all do it. That’s why most of the ‘privacy’ technology comes from western nations.

          1. Calling out hipocrasy is an immature way to argue. It is not even a form of argument.

            In the world of grown ups that is not black and white, where decisions need to balance conflicting opinions. Where information is imperfect and hindsight has yet to come into existence, decisions need to be made, often quickly and with additional constraints such as budget. It is often the best course of action to do the least worst.

            You spout, and I do mean spout, a lot of informations that may or may not be true. There is no depth, nor explanation nor evidence nor balance to the words you have written.
            We could well be in perfect agreement on many issues, but this I could not tell from your reply to me. You have assumed that I am pro-western atrocities simply because I am anti-chinese atrocities.
            You accuse me of ignorance, again without providing actual evidence of my ignorance.

            Western countries are not without their serious flaws. Greed and lack accountability are the main ones. But they affect all humans and stem from a lack of empathy.
            I believe democracy and free speech are the best systems to fix them. Dictatorship and no free speech (see Russia and China) are not.

            Beneath the mountains of tens of thousands of civilian bodies in Ukraine you may well be able to find one or two of right-wing nationalists.
            Russia did not choose the least-worst way to resolve that particular issue.

            To prevent NATO expansion?
            Russia didn’t choose the least-worst way to prevent that.

      1. I love Chinese manufacturing. You can’t get that quality in the US: everyone’s either hopped up on opioids, drunk, or too busy talking conspiracy theories on facebook.

        clicky clicky lewin group! here’s a 1/8 penny for you!

      1. Hipocrasy? How is that any sort of argument?
        A junkie can tell you that drugs are bad. A filthy rich person can tell you money doesn’t make you happy.
        The message is not invalidated by the means of delivery.

        Here are some stats about semi-conductor production:
        https://www.statista.com/chart/25552/semiconductor-manufacturing-by-location/

        Use the freedom of expression you take for granted to hold companies to account that cosy up to regimes that deny those freedoms and worse to their citizens.

        Behringer is by far the worst offender of the synth world. He’s gone in lock, stock and barrel to dictatorland.

    1. if it does, it’s got all standard parts and matches the original product enough you could fix it yourself with the service manual. if you’re not technically inclined – maybe you can make a new friend.

      1. Have you seriously ever seen a Behringer service manual in the wild?
        And you think there are smt electronics engineers around without better things to do than fix a Behringer synth! lol

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